Alternative energy expert Robert Rapier explains the oil crisis, & why climate will hit us like a hurricane. Seth Moser-Katz and Justin Ritchie interview law Professor & Greenpeace icon Professor Michael M'Gonigle on "exit environmentalism". Are we leaving Green, or leaving the system?
Rapier interview by Alex Smith
MGonigle interview by Seth Moser-Katz & Justin Ritchie for Radio Ecoshock
Paul Kingsnorth audio quote from podcast by Orion magazine (used with permission)
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Also available as two 29 minute segments posted below for those needing time for station ID or announcements.
Give up hope and exit out of environmentalism? In the UK, deep greener Paul Kingsnorth says he's leaving the climate movement, which is lost anyway. Who else is on the way out the door?
This week we'll hear a challenging interview with one of the co-founders of Greenpeace International. Michael M'Gonigle has been battling since the late 1960's. He teaches environmental law at the University of Victoria in Canada.
Two hosts from the podcast "The Extra Environmentalist" interview Michael for Radio Ecoshock - about his new strategy which he calls "Exit Environmentalism". Just in case, we'll top that off with a shot at techno-optimism.
But first, I'll talk with chemical engineer and biofuels specialist Robert Rapier. We go at the fundamentals of the energy crisis - peak oil, Asian demand, speculation and all that. Rapier compares greenhouse gas emissions from Asia to an unstoppable hurricane.
I don't agree with everything all our guests say, but Robert takes me closer to "exit environmentalism" with his clear cold logic about the real world we live in.