On May 3, 2011, Dr. Steve R. Pieczenik, claimed that he had top secret information that Osama bin Laden had died in late 2001. Nevertheless he during the year 2002 was actively advocating torture and secret prisons in order to fight the Al Qaeda leader. The psychiatrist and former Deputy Assistant Sec of State maintained pressure in talk shows toward those ends. In this instance he can be heard to infer, with a chuckle, that prisoners can be tortured & killed without trial.
In this audio file, David Grace calls the talk show America on Watch and challenges the demented Doctor and the toady hosts.
"America on Watch", Dr. Steve R. Pieczenik , Lars Larson, Dick Marcinko, David Grace
This is not the complete show. I do not have an entire copy and release the entire portions that I copied.