Gordon speaks about subject of her book, how torture was made acceptable to public post 9/11; of media influence in changing perception led by Newsweek's 'liberal' Jonathan Alter; she explores background of US torture practices, from Phoenix program in Vietnam to Latin America; of differences between post-Vietnam and now and need for a Church-type commission to investigate CIA torture and abolish CIA; that Americans' acceptance of torture to protect them is sign of national cowardice; agrees that it is âwhat we are as a people.â